Episode 31

International Cannabis & The UN’s Secretive Initiative – Part I

In this episode, we’re diving into the mysterious topic of the UN’s so-called “secretive body” and the “cannabis initiative” it’s been tasked with. The UN is a major controlling agency on the global stage. 

As such, this new initiative may have far-reaching implications for international cannabis deals, operations, and commerce, particularly in Latin America. Listen to HYC experts Cory Waggoner, Anthony Edward, and Emily Seelman discuss this riveting development and what cannabusinesses need to know to make the best moves for their futures.


Anthony Adkins, Emily Seelman, Cory Waggoner, Adam Kulbach


Adam Kulbach  00:12

Hello and welcome to the higher enlightenment podcast brought to you by higher yields cannabis consulting your seed to sale Business Solutions team. My name is Adam, your host and today’s episode deals with international cannabis and the UN secretive initiative with our guests Corey Wagner, Anthony Atkins and Emily Siegelman. Today we’re diving into the mysterious topic of the UN so called secretive body and the cannabis initiative, it’s been tasked with the UN is a major controlling agency on the global stage. As such, this new initiative may have far reaching implications for International Cannabis deals, operations and commerce, particularly in Latin America. So listen to the H yc. Experts Corey Wagner, Anthony Atkins and Emily Siegelman discussed this riveting development, and what cannabis businesses need to know to make the best moves for their futures. So let’s get started by having our guests introduce themselves. How about you, Cory? Could you give us a little background on yourself?


Cory Waggoner  01:25

Yeah, I’m Corey Wagner. I’m the CEO here at higher yields consulting, started higher yields back in 2015, as a professional services company to help struggling entrepreneurs, new entrepreneurs and entrepreneurs looking to better their businesses and expand into new markets.


Adam Kulbach  01:43

Well, thanks for being here. How about you, Emily, could you introduce yourself?


Emily Seelman  01:48

Yes, my name is Emily Stillman. I’m a Senior Technical Writer here at higher yields. I oversee client projects on both the state and local level, and also support the teams and their pursuit of some projects overseas, dealing in the regulations and things like that. So this is a this topic is particularly interesting. I think, if people are not aware of what’s going on, then I think this is a great podcast to learn a little bit more about how this can affect the industry.


Adam Kulbach  02:22

Thank you, Emily, how about you, Anthony, could you introduce yourself?


Anthony Adkins  02:26

Yeah, absolutely. I’m Anthony Adkins, Director of Business Development with higher yields. And definitely looking to connect in and resources to the market from higher yields. And of course, connecting the market to higher yields in terms of opportunity, partnership, development, overall global strategy, in terms of what that business development could could merit really proliferate the a great industry of cannabis.


Adam Kulbach  02:55

Well, thanks for being here. So anyway, about the UN secretive body and cannabis initiative, what exactly is going on? What is the secret of body?


Anthony Adkins  03:06

Well, I’ll definitely jump in on on that one, from what from what we’re gaining understanding of is the the International Narcotics Control Board, which was established way back in 1968. It was an accordance with the 1961 single convention on Narcotic Drugs and But although there are pre predecessor organizations within the UN, that dates all the way back to the 1920s, when the League of Nations was actually formed. But the organization is is a very non transparent organization within the UN Security Council and the UN Council overall. And the basic role is to monitor and record the illicit manufacturing of the trade in and the use of drugs in cooperation with governments throughout the world. And that, you know, it’s to really do ensure the diversion of drugs from illicit sources to illicit channels that you know, that don’t want they don’t want to occur. So basically, an environment to set the standards and control cultivation, manufacture and utilization of not only cannabis, but heroin poppies, cocaine, and any other illicit drugs that you know, cytosol ovens and that sort of thing. So, that is the the, the entity that is quote unquote, in in question, especially because it is not transparent and is looking in as subversive manner, you know, to, you know, the industry as a whole.


Adam Kulbach  05:05

So what do we know about the UN’s cannabis initiative?


Anthony Adkins  05:09

They’re, they’re in the process of writing up or the processing of, of drawing up what they’re referring to what kind of watchdogs are referring to, as ill informed cannabis initiatives which could deliver, you know, a pretty serious blow to the industry. But it is a part of the United Nations United United Nations, you know, body there, right. So, they had they keep no minutes to their meetings. There’s no access to their their discussions. But there are insiders that are leaking documents. Right. That are are definitely looking to sub verse. The overall initiatives of the the Security Council with regards, you know, in this case with regards to, to cannabis, and all the gains that the countries in the industry have gained over the years, you know, to legalizing medical, looking at adult use looking at, you know, a use for tourism, you know, especially in Latin American countries. And, and those sorts of things. So there, there are a lot of deep, deep, deep concerns over some of these. I NCV, or the international mechanics board measures that are being drafted but also leaked, prior to 2022 where there’ll be presenting, you know, these initiatives to the UN.


Emily Seelman  06:57

And Anthony, correct me if I’m wrong, but one of those initiatives is supposed to be possibly rescheduling cannabis.


Anthony Adkins  07:07

Yeah, sad. Absolutely. The rescheduling it again, as the as a narcotic from that standpoint,


Emily Seelman  07:17

yeah. And I think that’s kind of where we find it a little bit troubling. Because not only is this as Anthony put it a secretive or, but they have essentially, self become, I guess, self arbiters of what is good and what is bad in this world of drugs or plants. So you’ve got a group we don’t know much about making decisions we don’t know much about. And this group does not know much about cannabis. So and from our experience, we have seen on the state side, and even in our international work, politicians, individuals who are charged with drafting regulations, or scheduling, things like that, we have found that they usually most often do not know what they’re doing in this space. So this is not like a group of people that is well informed around cannabis, and even the cannabinoids within the plant to actually make a viable or healthy decision around how to schedule this or D schedule this, things like that. So what they are phrasing as a positive item on the agenda with possibly rescheduling. This is very concerning to me, because we don’t know what the motives are. These types of issues have been historically politicized. So I have no idea if they’re doing this for their own benefit for what type of political chess move they’re playing. I would certainly say that, that it’s not necessarily for the good of the people or for the global economy when it comes to cannabis.


Cory Waggoner  09:09

Well, it seems like they’re just like completely ignoring, like what’s going on in the rest of the world, you know, the European Court of Justice last year and the Canada vape case. They’re, it’s like they’re not even taking any data consideration. And it’s like, they’re, you know, kind of like you mentioned Emily there. This department is stepping outside of where they should be stepping like this is an agricultural matter. This This isn’t an INCB matter, in my opinion. But they shouldn’t be telling people how to how they should and can be cultivating their plants.


Anthony Adkins  09:45

Yeah, especially because the the medical the forward medical nature of of cannabis is how it this is all originating from and it could definitely harm the medicinal element and medicinal benefit Uh, you know, to the population or to, you know, those underneath that that medical guideline or that medical cannabis environment. So they’re really messing with the whole element of what can and cannot be grown, you know what and what cannot be supplied to the patients. And it’s not a agricultural medicinal element that’s sort of promoting it’s, it’s the way it should be done. So agreed.


Cory Waggoner  10:31

Yeah, and kind of similar here in the US. I mean, it’s just taking so long for people to really take a medicinal, even though we’ve had medicinal programs for people to really take it serious as a medicinal product. It seems like they’re not really taking that into consideration at all, like nothing’s really, their decisions and their direction aren’t really founded on any sort of medical research or medical value of this. And like you said, Anthony, and Emily, it’s, you know, it’s it. At the end of the day, it just hinders people’s ability to use something that is going to be helpful to them, and likely less addictive than things that are on the market today.


Anthony Adkins  11:14

A que opioids.


Cory Waggoner  11:17

Yeah, and on a global level, you know, this isn’t one state, this is this is the entire world. This is the entire population of the world. So it’s. So what


Adam Kulbach  11:28

don’t we know that we should know?


Emily Seelman  11:31

Pretty much everything? Yeah, and I think it’s concerning, I think that’s one of the most, besides the fact that I think this body should not exist to begin with. What’s particularly alarming is that we don’t know what they’re doing. And these things, that the topics on the agenda that they’re talking about, that they’re making decisions on, have a global impact. And we don’t know what that is. And I think the large, I think that larger segment of the population would have a problem with that if they knew this was happening. From this, most people don’t know this is happening. And you’ve got a body like the UN that is purportedly built to help make the world a better place. And that group is charged with making sure countries and leaders of countries are acting in the best interest of their people. You’ve got global atrocities happening right now. And their focus instead of those atrocities that are happening in places like North Korea, and in China and things like that against their people. They’re focused on cannabis. And when that’s, that’s going to have a real life impact on the US economy. As far as the cannabis sector goes, not only the ability for people to get access to medical cannabis, but our ability to change regulations around adult use, and getting making changes, I think we see on a domestic level, here in the States, we see a huge issue with people groups that are disproportionately impacted by what we’ve had on the books as far as our laws have gone. And this doesn’t really do much to help the efforts on this side of the world and changing the viewpoint, breaking down the stigma, and getting people access to this industry in a meaningful way that they haven’t had before.


Anthony Adkins  13:31

Yeah, it’s very true, because they’re not involving any other any other UN body or any other, you know, governing body. I mean, this is an agricultural element, it’s a plant. And you have a, you know, an organization or I should say a subset of the organization, that is cures securely focused on Narcotics Control, are not narcotic or what they deem as a narcotic. In terms of illegal, you know, it being illegal isation or control in terms of what that is, they’re not involving any other body per se, you know, from a medicinal standpoint, from an agricultural standpoint, or from you know, you know, they’re not dealing with drug control. Right. So that it’s an agricultural crop. And they’re not bringing in anyone else to, you know, to their discussions or to their, you know, drafting of initiatives.


Cory Waggoner  14:36

Well, it seems like they’re not even distinguishing between you know, the cannabis that would have psychoactive effects versus industrial hemp, which is used for manufacturing of products, not necessarily like consumables, and they’re not even distinguishing that they’re they’re still trying to put all of these things under this, you know, strict regulatory You know, narcotic that it’s it’s not even, it’s not even being used or consumed by humans. It’s being used to build houses and, you know, supplement other products that are already on the market. Right, right.


Anthony Adkins  15:16

Yeah, yeah, that are trying to lump the hemp and cannabis together in the same initiative.


Emily Seelman  15:24

Yeah. And that’s pretty much how you can get some insights into the lack of education this body has around cannabis. So that’s the body that’s regulating this or making decisions around it. They don’t even know how to distinguish between industrial hemp, and cannabis, cannabis that’s used for medicine, cannabis that’s used just as a product to ingest. So that’s very common, this whole thing is very concerning to me. I don’t really see a positive from this, this body, to be honest, no.


Anthony Adkins  16:02

Yeah, and they’re set to Renea to reveal this initiative in November, in order to be able to discuss it at the Commission on Narcotic Drugs and 22. So it’s, it’s going to be very interesting to see what happens and what they come out with, in terms of what how they’re positioning this, you know, to actually negatively impact the industry.


Adam Kulbach  16:26

So what do you think the strength of this initiative is to actually take hold?


Anthony Adkins  16:35

I mean, it sounds like I mean, the the playbook back in, you know, the late 1800s, in the early 1900s, when really, all these governing bodies, this UN this league of nations actually became in the play that, you know, in understanding some of the history of how cannabis became marijuana, how cannabis became illegal, where before was not, you know, same with cocoa, Bush and wood, Poppy and opium and you know, what those those natural organic plants could provide in terms of the medicinal benefits, it’s pretty interesting to follow the thread. And now, all of a sudden, that there has been gained not only in cannabis research and hemp, you know, to replace, you know, so many damaging elements to our, you know, our environment, then you have this natural plant that can reduce, you know, carbon footprints and restore soil and, you know, not be brutally, environmentally impactful as asbestos was now can replace asbestos, in terms of installation, our ratings and that sort of thing. So it’s following a thread, it’s almost like it’s retrained to rebirth or play an old script, back when, you know, the United States Government made or quote unquote, you know, had have had cannabis become illegal, you know, to control, you know, certain elements of economic, agricultural impact throughout the world. So, I don’t know, I mean, it’s, it’s definitely, I think, worth, you know, following, you know, deeper threads, but it’s almost like it’s a rebirth or re regurgitation of an old script that they use to, you know, control agriculture throughout the world and let alone, you know, things that were plant based, organic based and medicinal based, now that they’re once again, trying to deem as a narcotic, as illicit drug, you know, and kind of foil all the gain that had been made over the throughout the years.


Adam Kulbach  19:07

How will this impact American Cannabis operations


Anthony Adkins  19:14

from a federal level? Yeah. I mean, Cory, Emily, I mean, think about the impact of you know, the, the aspect of federalisation to be able to move product and distribute product. From that standpoint, whether it’s either in a happy environment or hopefully soon in a cannabis based environment, you know, distribution, trade, open competitive markets, it becomes very, it can become very convoluted and impact negatively. You know, the state of, you know, genetic sourcing and Yeah distribution with with regards to both cannabis cannabis and hemp.


Cory Waggoner  20:07

Yeah, there’s, you know, on the economic side of it. Definitely, I mean, it’s already an issue transporting just CBD in and out of countries. Even the countries that have federally legal cannabis programs, importing, exporting there is difficult. But beyond that, like you sitting in any kind of recruiting sold script, like, it’s just continuing this stigma of being this, this drug, you know, and this bad thing, that’s, that’s terrible for everybody. Rather than promoting, you know, what the last 10 years, 15 years of this industry have showed, which, you know, this plant has medicinal benefits, this plant can help people with a lot of different ailments and issues and addictions and things like that. And we’re just kind of taking a step back in time, basically, globally. You know, we’ve worked so hard here in the United States, and I feel like we’ve you know, more people have been more accepting of it, a lot of it has been the MediCal program with people seeing that there are medicinal purposes to it. But, you know, globally, there’s places in this world that don’t think that way. This doesn’t promote, you know, a true global education of this plant. This just continues to put it in the same silo as opioids, and heroin and cocaine and all those things. And it’s just, it’s really frustrating to, to see these things happening, rather than people having an open mind and being transparent in what’s what we’re actually finding and what we’re seeing.


Anthony Adkins  21:47

Yeah, both in an economic standpoint, and a like psycho premium, medicinal medical standpoint.


Cory Waggoner  21:54

We had I kind of skipped over industrial, you know, I mean, the industrial impact and the, you know, the green impact that this, the positive green impact that industrial hemp can have on the world is huge. And here we are fighting it, and it’s just, it’s really crazy to see the world kind of fighting things from both ends, it’s kind of like we’re chasing our tails some days.


Adam Kulbach  22:18

How could this initiative impact International Cannabis operations?


Anthony Adkins  22:25

Well, even the opportunities that we’re seeing that, whether it be sourced from Latin America, whether it be you know, moving, you know, hemp products to Switzerland, whether it’s Canada sourcing, you know, cannabis into other countries throughout the world, you know, the, it’s, I mean, it’s already, it’s already hard. You know, from that standpoint, I mean, to continue to keep making it more difficult, as opposed to facilitating, you know, an organic medicinal plant that, like you said, he, you know, we can clothe you, it could heal you, and we could shelter you, you know, then it’s, it’s odd that, you know, such a subversive, secretive, more of a secret of body that is not in coordination or not, you know, functioning with other other governing bodies, you know, whether it be with the UN or inter government, you know, elements in different countries and governments, that they’d be looking just to continue to keep being subversive as to being open minded, and really looking at science and looking at research and looking at the, you know, the medical field to have impact and involvement in, in something that could be a global, you know, a global undertaking that is detrimental, you know, to the two economies and overall population.


Emily Seelman  23:57

And I think if you’ve got a political body that is this secretive, that they have to make these types of globally impacting decisions in secret in the dark, then I think there are going to be ramifications that we can’t even foresee at this point. And one of those things that I just immediately think of just through our experience in, in the cannabis industry in the States and internationally. There are a lot of people that have backdoor agreements in the dark that really hurt the industry or hurt other operators that are looking to get in and good players or get knocked out of an industry when an industry could be really benefited by them. So one you’ve got a body that is making major decisions like this in the dark to me that invites the opportunity for some some players that are up to no good getting involved and helping guide the direction of the decision making In a way that’s not going to benefit anybody but themselves. And usually that means it’s a power grab, or it’s a money grab. And I, I could see that playing out here in ways that we can’t really even predict at this point.


Adam Kulbach  25:15

With all the events going on in Latin America lately, how will this new UN initiative impact Colombia, Buenos Aires, Uruguay, and Mexico,


Anthony Adkins  25:27

when you think about the agricultural progress of Latin America, you know, and what they what they produce overall, and of course, hemp, and eventually cannabis on a much larger scale. I mean, these, the, that country, those these countries were almost like made to produce, you know, greens. And, you know, with a lot of their the economic impact that is that has occurred into trade, fair trade regulations, certain governments owning and gaining control over, you know, all aspects of Latin American life in their particular respective countries, you’re looking at even less freedoms, to be able to provide and source you know, amazing, amazing products, you know, amazing agricultural based product, medicinal based product could severely impact all aspects of the supply chain, not only for Latin American countries, but for the world as a whole, because of what they would what America sources to the world. And so, you know, again, you know, Latin America seems to have a much greater impact financially, economically, you know, to world, the world stage. And, you know, things that happen, and that this could, you know, continue to not only make it more difficult but negatively impact an already negative environment.


Adam Kulbach  27:02

So, what steps should cannabis business owners be taking in order to best plan for this initiatives potential rollout in the future?


Anthony Adkins  27:12

Cory Emily, I mean, the first word that comes to my mind is advocacy, you know, how to become, you know, advocates and to create, or join, you know, those those lobbyists groups, or the planning groups that, you know, are continuing to promote, as we know, the higher yields is, is, is committed to being not only a learning organization, but a teaching organization and an educational organization, you know, that continues to promote the legal views of the plant from both the Hab environment and the cannabis THC environment. So what I mean, though, that’s the word that’s coming into my mind, as business owners really becoming advocates of an industry that they’ve wholeheartedly, you know, become a part of.


Emily Seelman  28:10

Yep, I think I’m on the same page. As you, Anthony, I think the best thing people can do is become informed, educate themselves on this, research this issue and get vocal about what that could mean. I mean, you may not, none of us really have a clear understanding of, of what the outcomes are, what could happen with this, the rollout of this program, and their agenda, but we can at least voice our concerns, based out of the fact that we don’t know what, what they’re going to do. And that in and of itself is concerning. And, you know, we’ve seen these types of things catch catch fire, when people get vocal about these issues. So you may think, Well, what kind of platform do I have? Well, if you’re a business operator, I think there’s plenty of opportunities to be to be vocal about this issue and getting in touch with your local news organizations and, and spread the word through your business and sponsor groups who could be vocal about it. And I think that is the type of thing that catches on, and more and more people start to look into, and then you get investigative journalists on board. And like Anthony said, lobbyists on board, and that’s when you can really make an impact and be the voice. If anyone should have the ability to control how this market is played out should be the people who are in the industry, the operators who are actually who actually are the ones hit with taxes, who have to understand the compliance issues around transporting cannabis and playing in their their countries regulations and rules around it. So they’re the ones who should be making the decisions on it not a secretive body who’s deemed themselves or dubbed themselves to be the ones who weren’t capable enough to make these decisions. So I think like Anthony said, and that’s just to add to advocacy, I would say education, educate yourself and then get loud about it. Well, I


Adam Kulbach  30:01

think that’s all the questions that we have for today. But does anybody have any final thoughts or things that they’d like to add?


Anthony Adkins  30:10

Well, the big one, I mean, the big thing for me in terms of connecting, you know, reach out to us at higher yields consulting.com. And, you know, what US have entered into the discussion, how we can potentially help, whether it be international hemp environments or whether if you’re calling in or connecting with us internationally, you know, how we we may join forces together to continue to keep promoting, building and advocating for the industry and, and your business. And if you want to get started in the industry, we can definitely help you do that as well.


Adam Kulbach  30:47

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